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welcome to shattered reality with your

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hosts kate valentine and farrugia

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prepare to have your paradigms shifted

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into truths questioned and now shattered

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reality hey Kate Valentine how are you

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today I'm farm-fresh I'm sorry I was

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just leafing through the notes of this

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very fascinating guests that we will be

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speaking to later yes indeed and today

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for all of you listeners out there will

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be listening at a different time we are

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recording this on December first 2015

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and we've just come off the great high

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of having two other great guests in this

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past month of November Greg Bishop and

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my friend Todd Robbins and we've been

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getting a lot of really good feedback

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from those shows and now today we have a

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wonderful woman who is going to join us

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in a moment she is pmh Atwater and she

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is a person who has been a pioneer in

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the area of near-death experiences both

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as an actual experience ER and a

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researcher since approximately nineteen

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seventy eight prior to that she was

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involved with consciousness studies in a

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variety of ways and then she had three

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near-death experiences herself and it

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brought her to a sort of specialize in

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in that particular field in addition she

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has written a lot of different books and

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rather than give you a rundown of each

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and every book we are going to give her

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the opportunity to talk about her books

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and she can mention any and all of them

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during the next hour so

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now let me introduce pmh Atwater and

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welcome to the show hi I hope you can

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hear me Oh weekend well I'm pretty oh

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goody so I really i just i was going

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through all these pages about your life

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it's really quite complicated and

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interesting and just full of times and

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surprises and you've had a very

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interesting life could could for those

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people who are not familiar with the

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near-death experience precisely could

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you I know you're tired of talking about

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your own experiences but just as an

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introduction just give a short synopsis

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of what happened to you and then we will

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get directly into your very fascinating

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research with both adults and children

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who are near-death experiencers well I

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died three times in three months up in

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1977 I I look back at it and I call it

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the heavenly sledgehammer of fact if

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that if that doesn't tell you how

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stubborn I was before that I don't know

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what will two deaths occurred in January

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of 1977 and the third in March later

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that fall I had three major relapses so

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1977 wasn't my here but I'm still here

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with us in 2015 so you you can made a

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big comeback i see well after it was

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with over um i had to relearn how to

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stand out a crawl how to walk out of

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climb stairs how to tell the difference

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train left and right see properly hear

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properly and rebuild all my belief

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belief systems you know when when people

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talk about the near death experience

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documentaries and all of this kind of

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thing that most of these cases come from

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violence or trauma so you've got a body

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your body on top of having to somehow

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come to terms with what you experienced

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and so for most people that you know you

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talk about your radio show being called

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shattered reality for most people that's

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a shattered reality that would be it

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just blows blows any concept they have

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of their body of their soul of their

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life um of God of you know the whole

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thing is just blown wide open and then

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come back absolutely no most of them I

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say the vast majority come back

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absolutely knowing positive really

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knowing that there's no such thing as

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death that it's simply adore way you

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walk through or glide through and that

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that life goes on and has always been

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and always will be that we are a soul

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that resides within our body that the

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you could call it you know the jacket

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we're wearing and and they come back

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with a very different view of things

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maybe two-thirds of the near-death

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experiences involve an out-of-body

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component that's one of the elements and

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once you're out of your body have

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360-degree vision and your much your

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different because they view they don't

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concept of what life is so when they

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come back with their experience of life

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not um the boundary this is fuzzy it

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the child where for an adult there is a

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boundary we know you know the difference

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difference between life and death so

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you've got all this stuff to deal with

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different anybody else I'll tell you for

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a decade before I ever died now and I'll

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tell you folks this because because you

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know you can't really share this kind of

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kind of stuff with with all radio shows

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but I'll tell you my first near death

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experience was primarily an out-of-body

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experience only had other components and

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components and um and you know a lot of

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a lot of depth and then to look death a

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lot of depth oh I'm sorry up to the P

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miss her and you know before then before

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phenomena and altered states of

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consciousness um I was d haunting houses

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non-profit metaphysical corporation

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idaho the northwest first speakers

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subjects and this kind of thing and and

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hundreds and thousands and I I mean we

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prayer work yes how can we experiment

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biorhythms we did experience a

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experiments with psychokinesis and on

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involved I was in consciousness oh

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absolutely and and just yeah back then I

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ashamed to say this but during coffee

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breaks I would put a pen in my hand and

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would roll over so I became you know um

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certainly that but I became a g-wiz for

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the for the banking staff you know this

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is coffee break so I'm entertainment

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guidance stuff and and always always

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was it enough that I could do anything

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with others could they do it what was it

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like when they did it uh and I could

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observe it or you know have their

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comments and with that group than other

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groups and other groups and ages and

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different kinds of people so even back

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apart finding out what this stuff was

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how it worked why what you know all

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these kind of things um and you know I I

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hundred or more that would attend lots

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of stuff in the newspaper I mean this

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was really big and and then I reached a

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a sense of what was involved how people

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that and then I reached this point in my

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own growth of my own learning and my own

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experiencing where um you know it's just

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it's this incredible point where were

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you where you where you where you come

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to terms with who you are what you are

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and what you're doing and you come to

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realize that um there's a new teacher

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that time is is ready that you've you

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know you graduated this plane this this

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offering it's now time for something

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teacher will come and I had that really

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solid I mean I really felt ready to move

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a teacher that is to say someone wearing

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a body yeah I got def instead was death

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a question here a PM h yeah in our

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correspondence to have you come on I

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that there I felt there is some

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correlation and frankly in my own life

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and therapy times I'd said to myself wow

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experience this and then I remember that

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along with that comes bodily pain and

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possibly injury I say cancel cancel I

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don't wanna thank you kindly fine hug

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don't ever say cancel cancel because you

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can't say you're canceled you always

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cancel okay I always say cancel reject

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that don't ever take that the heart but

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my question is for you uh can you

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possibly detail quickly the difference

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from an ordinary out-of-body experiences

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there is that you're saying that tell

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the difference between that and a non

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because you know what as I can I can't

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work I in fact I'd be out of exact I

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used to train people and and how to take

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difference um you certainly you can have

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out-of-body experiences you can have

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testimonials you can have a verification

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of what you find what you see what you

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do yes but with the near-death

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intense once you get out of the body you

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have 360 degree vision and and it seems

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more involved deeper um it just seems to

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be more more intense than what you can

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have before that more hunger real I

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especially having worked with so many

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hundreds and thousands of people before

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I ever died and we did a lot of

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out-of-body training I became a trainer

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myself and you know there was just a lot

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of examples from my own life other

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people's lives so once i became a

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near-death a researcher then then i

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could go back to what I did before I

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died and I could call that call that

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forward in other words I could I could

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call forward the research I did way back

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then and and that became a decided

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advantage for me and near-death research

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I'm the only near-death researcher I

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know of who had extensive background in

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out-of-body States consciousness studies

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altered states of consciousness um you

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know before I ever went into near-death

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research add to that my own three

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near-death experiences so I then tend to

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stand out in that regard as being more

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experienced in the very things that

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people discover once they leave their

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body um in it in a near-death experience

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and we go over what they might discover

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um there are four main elements um that

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uh yeah i i'm i'm searching for words

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here that the part of it ah or sequence

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I'd be I need to bring forth words here

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for that that most of them have said so

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if we're if we're looking at the

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millions of near-death experiences which

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have occurred um and and the estimate

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globally is four to five percent of the

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the standard population globally has had

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a near-death experience sword so we're

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talking about millions and millions and

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millions and millions of people of that

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larger venue there the major elements i

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would i would say that the first and

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foremost is the outer body experience

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most people have that the second most

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common element is that light and that

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light of course is the average adult

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will will describe that light as

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brighter than ten thousand suns

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instantly your fried but there's no pain

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and there's something about this light

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that is so loving and so caring that you

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just simply kind of melt in its presence

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it know it knows all about [\h__\h] knows

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your name it knows you know everything

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you've ever done so you can't lie to

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this light you can't make anything up

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you can you know extrapolate in any way

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I mean you know there it is the third

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most common is um um being is a visitor

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of some kind another being yeah usually

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it's loved one has died have gone on

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before this includes pets as well

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there's a lot of animals that are in

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near-death experiences a lot of birds a

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lot of animals so you would you can even

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want to go to heaven with there's no if

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there's no animals there yeah there

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there there you don't have to worry

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about that some people are meant by a

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light

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being some people are met by an angel

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some people are met by religious figure

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um it's different you know in different

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parts of the country different people

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different parts of the globe the fourth

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most common is the life review and that

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can be your light flashing your life

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flashing by like a movie or that's like

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going into a theater and watching a

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movie or it can be a real living of the

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life it can be just parts of the life

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this one person went into this very

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large huge room lots and lots of shelves

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all the way around and on each all of

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the shelves where television sets lots

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and lots of television sets and each one

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was tuned to a different aspect of her

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life and she could then shoes which

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television said she wanted to go into so

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that was one person way of describing

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the out of the life review then we have

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the more radical life reviews where you

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view or we'd live everything you've ever

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done and and then are held accountable

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for that in some way a lot of near-death

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experiences will say that this is it's

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very objective that there's that there's

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no pain involved there's no fear

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involved but rather a dispassionate

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viewing so that you will learn from this

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but other near-death experiencers say

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forget that it's very painful and you

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can have the more radical kind I had one

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experience ER in Chicago interestingly

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enough Chicago Illinois a man who had

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been a criminal more of the mafia type

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criminal um harmed a lot of people kill

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some people and he had a near-death

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experience when he can in his life

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review not only did he have to see

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everything he'd ever done he had to live

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through everything he ever done but he

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had to live through the pain of anyone

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he ever hurt or killed plus the pain of

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their families and what they suffered

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because of what he did to their loved

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one so it sort of like double-decker

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pain and he was so traumatized after his

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experience that all he could you know he

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told me he wanted some way of making up

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to the world for what he had done and so

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he was working in a soup kitchen in the

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basement of a church that's all he can

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do so that those are the main ones now

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please notice I didn't mention tunnel

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true that some people get the life

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review when they're simply threatened

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with death even when they haven't had a

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near-death experience in so far as like

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if you are in a accident that is just a

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you know you will have averted bodily

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pain but you think that you're about to

402
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hit a truck that your life can flash

403
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before your eyes is that not something

404
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that can that's it that's absolutely

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true some researchers call that a fear

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death experience but mostly in in the

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field that's called a near-death like

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experience you do not have to die to

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00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:16,690
have a near-death experience you need

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somehow to be near death in close

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proximity to death or we have some that

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are absolute

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confounding and let let me give you an

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example of some of those and and these

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00:24:39,950 --> 00:24:35,540
are also near death like experiences

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there was this one woman uh it was a

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Sunday morning she went out on her front

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porch to pick up the Sunday paper you

419
00:24:49,340 --> 00:24:47,400
know those papers are very large and she

420
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:49,350
was just picking up it was very early in

421
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the morning ship is just picking up the

422
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paper writing her her body as she did

423
00:24:59,570 --> 00:24:55,430
because she had to bend over so she

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00:25:02,390 --> 00:24:59,580
she's becoming right again and she she

425
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and she looked straight into the Rising

426
00:25:13,250 --> 00:25:07,110
Sun and she entered the Sun she went

427
00:25:17,870 --> 00:25:13,260
right into the Sun and in doing so she

428
00:25:21,740 --> 00:25:17,880
had a full near-death experience with

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00:25:25,130 --> 00:25:21,750
all of the pattern of physical and

430
00:25:27,530 --> 00:25:25,140
psychological after effects you see this

431
00:25:32,090 --> 00:25:27,540
is how you tell is the after effects

432
00:25:36,550 --> 00:25:32,100
that a legitimate or real experience is

433
00:25:40,850 --> 00:25:36,560
the after effects this type of of

434
00:25:43,730 --> 00:25:40,860
experience correlate to a revelatory

435
00:25:47,060 --> 00:25:43,740
experience of you know like this

436
00:25:50,030 --> 00:25:47,070
near-death like experience and then

437
00:25:52,910 --> 00:25:50,040
putting it side by side to a revelatory

438
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:52,920
experience where the person may have

439
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:55,530
some sense of going out of body but is

440
00:26:02,120 --> 00:25:57,840
some things are revealed to the person

441
00:26:05,870 --> 00:26:02,130
without them ever having had a you know

442
00:26:07,460 --> 00:26:05,880
you're a denier an actual death well

443
00:26:09,890 --> 00:26:07,470
certainly that can be a breakthrough

444
00:26:12,350 --> 00:26:09,900
experience that can be in a way here in

445
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,360
the ink experience we have lots of names

446
00:26:16,790 --> 00:26:15,120
for that what I've discovered in my work

447
00:26:20,180 --> 00:26:16,800
I've been doing this for almost 40 years

448
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:20,190
what I've discovered in my work is the

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00:26:27,530 --> 00:26:23,760
near-death experience is not any kind of

450
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anomaly but rather part of the larger

451
00:26:33,980 --> 00:26:30,720
genre of intense transformations of

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consciousness whether they be you know

453
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:42,060
on top experience you know you named

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00:26:47,170 --> 00:26:44,960
baptism the Holy Spirit you know you

455
00:26:51,460 --> 00:26:47,180
name the different kinds but they all

456
00:26:54,220 --> 00:26:51,470
fall under that same genre heading of

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00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:54,230
intense transformations of consciousness

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00:27:00,940 --> 00:26:58,250
or threshold experiences and I'm going

459
00:27:03,670 --> 00:27:00,950
to you know I'm going to be writing a

460
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:03,680
lot more about what I've discovered

461
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:06,530
about threshold experiences because

462
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:11,330
that's what I feel they all are um we

463
00:27:17,850 --> 00:27:13,360
get so excited about near-death

464
00:27:22,150 --> 00:27:17,860
experiences because most of them happen

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in a hospital maybe in an accident scene

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where they're trained professionals that

467
00:27:30,490 --> 00:27:26,900
are there there's a there's a lot of

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00:27:32,890 --> 00:27:30,500
machinery you know that's there that

469
00:27:36,460 --> 00:27:32,900
they can hook these people up to so

470
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:36,470
therefore our modern researchers are

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00:27:46,060 --> 00:27:41,170
modern doctors and nurses they have a

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00:27:48,190 --> 00:27:46,070
legitimate experience that's above and

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beyond their training but they can

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00:27:58,720 --> 00:27:52,030
validate it because it happened within

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00:28:01,000 --> 00:27:58,730
their protocol so um you know back in

476
00:28:03,940 --> 00:28:01,010
the good old days you know we used to

477
00:28:07,870 --> 00:28:03,950
call this a mystical revelation or yeah

478
00:28:10,330 --> 00:28:07,880
you got it was a light experience now

479
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:10,340
they call it a near-death experience but

480
00:28:15,910 --> 00:28:13,760
but it's all in the same genre and again

481
00:28:19,860 --> 00:28:15,920
you always go back to the after-effects

482
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:19,870
uh you know you can't talk about any

483
00:28:25,980 --> 00:28:23,450
given experience without also talking

484
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:25,990
about the after effects or you're just

485
00:28:32,650 --> 00:28:29,450
talking about half of the story you have

486
00:28:35,710 --> 00:28:32,660
to talk about the whole story in order

487
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:35,720
to be you know for it to be real okay

488
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:38,000
well sort of to finish up I'm afraid we

489
00:28:46,930 --> 00:28:40,130
interrupted you before I think the last

490
00:28:49,870 --> 00:28:46,940
phase was the tunnel I um I was bringing

491
00:28:51,610 --> 00:28:49,880
to your attention of these four major

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00:28:55,150 --> 00:28:51,620
elements right

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00:28:58,650 --> 00:28:55,160
that I said notice tunnel was not one of

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00:29:01,240 --> 00:28:58,660
them with not one of them not one there

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00:29:03,910 --> 00:29:01,250
there's not that many people that

496
00:29:06,670 --> 00:29:03,920
experience a tunnel you know we can have

497
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:06,680
cities we can have all kinds of complex

498
00:29:17,049 --> 00:29:11,330
near death experiences but the tunnel is

499
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:17,059
not one of the major elements oh there's

500
00:29:26,740 --> 00:29:20,530
not that many people that experience it

501
00:29:29,919 --> 00:29:26,750
fell back in nineteen eighty-two gallup

502
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:29,929
poll did their first scientific study of

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00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:33,530
near-death experiences and then of what

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00:29:37,630 --> 00:29:35,600
was about nine percent six percent nine

505
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:37,640
percent something like that had it had a

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00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,090
tunnel it wasn't until um the media

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00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:48,559
sensationalized raymond moody's first

508
00:29:58,150 --> 00:29:52,910
book that you started hearing people

509
00:30:01,990 --> 00:29:58,160
using the term tunnel and now people use

510
00:30:04,450 --> 00:30:02,000
that term a lot but even today not that

511
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:04,460
many children or adults experience of

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00:30:12,820 --> 00:30:09,170
tunnel and in other countries in the

513
00:30:15,150 --> 00:30:12,830
world um they've never heard of a tunnel

514
00:30:19,419 --> 00:30:15,160
they don't even know what it total is um

515
00:30:24,250 --> 00:30:19,429
so I I don't think people are lying at

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00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:24,260
all are stretching at all what I think

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00:30:30,669 --> 00:30:28,370
is happening is that if people encounter

518
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:30,679
any kind of darkness or anything like

519
00:30:40,180 --> 00:30:36,559
that kind of moves and sort of seems

520
00:30:43,660 --> 00:30:40,190
kind of different or unusual now today

521
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:43,670
we have a term thanks to the media we

522
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:47,690
have a term it's called tunnel so they

523
00:30:54,810 --> 00:30:50,690
they they grab ahold of that term

524
00:30:58,810 --> 00:30:54,820
because you know these these experiences

525
00:31:04,970 --> 00:30:58,820
they're beyond words what words do you

526
00:31:08,570 --> 00:31:04,980
use so if if people run across the term

527
00:31:11,330 --> 00:31:08,580
that seems applicable they'll grab it

528
00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:11,340
and that's what I think is happening

529
00:31:16,669 --> 00:31:13,140
here with the tie I have a couple of

530
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:16,679
questions visa fee is that and one of

531
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:19,760
them is that in your book you mention a

532
00:31:27,380 --> 00:31:23,610
dark light like a purplish or dark light

533
00:31:31,510 --> 00:31:27,390
of yeah there are three hours yeah

534
00:31:35,090 --> 00:31:31,520
there's street major lights yes um

535
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:35,100
there-there's there's this incredibly

536
00:31:43,299 --> 00:31:39,720
raw piercing powerful light doesn't

537
00:31:47,510 --> 00:31:43,309
really have any particular color per se

538
00:31:52,610 --> 00:31:47,520
except a luminosity that is beyond

539
00:31:56,350 --> 00:31:52,620
anything and you can even describe then

540
00:32:02,570 --> 00:31:56,360
there's this black light or dark light

541
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:02,580
many call described it as having some

542
00:32:13,159 --> 00:32:06,720
purple or violet to it and and children

543
00:32:16,340 --> 00:32:13,169
um I really love this kind of light it's

544
00:32:20,330 --> 00:32:16,350
very warm it's very friendly it's very

545
00:32:25,820 --> 00:32:20,340
safe there's something very healing and

546
00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:25,830
very wise about this dark or black light

547
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:27,990
with maybe some purple in it then

548
00:32:33,049 --> 00:32:31,260
there's this white light some people say

549
00:32:36,130 --> 00:32:33,059
it has little tinges of silver or gold

550
00:32:40,210 --> 00:32:36,140
in it but it's very bright white light

551
00:32:43,580 --> 00:32:40,220
and this light is very loving and

552
00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:43,590
embracing onion in folding but there's

553
00:32:48,830 --> 00:32:46,169
something very creative and you know

554
00:32:50,780 --> 00:32:48,840
special about this light well the

555
00:32:52,970 --> 00:32:50,790
children I love kids because they just

556
00:32:56,659 --> 00:32:52,980
you know they just come straight to the

557
00:32:58,820 --> 00:32:56,669
point and if they say well yeah cuz I

558
00:33:00,860 --> 00:32:58,830
don't get that black light that dark

559
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:00,870
like that's another light I see at that

560
00:33:07,130 --> 00:33:04,080
white light that's father light and and

561
00:33:10,340 --> 00:33:07,140
you know the the mother light and the

562
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:10,350
father light denk come from God's light

563
00:33:15,770 --> 00:33:13,130
and God's light is at raw piercing light

564
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:15,780
because this is what's most convincing

565
00:33:20,690 --> 00:33:18,330
is you know adults may or may not emit

566
00:33:24,049 --> 00:33:20,700
legend things there may not be and you

567
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:24,059
know little hypoxic States whatever but

568
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,110
children are honest yes it just come

569
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:30,720
right to the bow exactly and so that I

570
00:33:35,060 --> 00:33:32,730
think is one of the most convincing ones

571
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:35,070
I'm sure you saw this movie recently of

572
00:33:40,399 --> 00:33:37,919
the who's at the Parsons of the

573
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:40,409
ministers are so big son died and went

574
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:47,130
to heaven had a long gestation yes yeah

575
00:33:51,620 --> 00:33:50,130
Alton Burpo and that was supposedly an

576
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:51,630
action based on an action it was

577
00:34:00,200 --> 00:33:56,090
absolutely accurate totally accurate

578
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:00,210
except for the book okay movie itself is

579
00:34:08,540 --> 00:34:04,559
wonderful it's exactly what happened it

580
00:34:13,399 --> 00:34:08,550
gives you the boys words you get the

581
00:34:14,659 --> 00:34:13,409
full presentation of what this boy went

582
00:34:17,570 --> 00:34:14,669
through and what the family went through

583
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:17,580
if you read the book which was written

584
00:34:26,139 --> 00:34:21,450
by Colton's dad who was a Methodist

585
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:26,149
minister then you get the dad's words

586
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:30,240
the dads explanation and the dad's

587
00:34:36,829 --> 00:34:32,970
theory and I read the book all better I

588
00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:36,839
didn't see the movie already move e you

589
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:40,200
get the kids view read the Vita and read

590
00:34:46,849 --> 00:34:45,089
the book you get the dads view but that

591
00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:46,859
that to me is fascinating i mean the

592
00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:50,250
children have it and it does

593
00:34:55,399 --> 00:34:52,440
reincarnation that all play into this

594
00:34:57,620 --> 00:34:55,409
because I mean oh very seldom once in a

595
00:35:00,800 --> 00:34:57,630
while you you get a little bit of that I

596
00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:00,810
read across a few cases with that did

597
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:05,310
but very very seldom afterward when

598
00:35:12,290 --> 00:35:06,330
people are dealing with the

599
00:35:15,380 --> 00:35:12,300
after-effects some begin to embrace the

600
00:35:19,250 --> 00:35:15,390
theory of reincarnation I would say

601
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:19,260
maybe oh maybe thirty forty percent do

602
00:35:29,780 --> 00:35:24,810
uh but but not all of them at all in

603
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:29,790
fact not even half it would make sense i

604
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:31,890
mean if you had a disembodied soul and

605
00:35:33,980 --> 00:35:32,160
they

606
00:35:35,839 --> 00:35:33,990
actually enjoyed this life had a good

607
00:35:38,539 --> 00:35:35,849
life and perhaps they decided they

608
00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:38,549
wanted to experience it one more time I

609
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:40,920
don't know you know they have very

610
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:46,170
different way of viewing that um and and

611
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:49,440
I think we can get a sense of that if we

612
00:35:57,049 --> 00:35:52,650
look at the main words that most of them

613
00:36:01,819 --> 00:35:57,059
say afterward and that's just for words

614
00:36:06,799 --> 00:36:01,829
always there is life most of them will

615
00:36:09,020 --> 00:36:06,809
say that always there is life when they

616
00:36:12,349 --> 00:36:09,030
come back and if you really really look

617
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:12,359
at those words it means there's no

618
00:36:21,650 --> 00:36:15,930
before life there's no now life there's

619
00:36:25,579 --> 00:36:21,660
no afterlife all there is is we have

620
00:36:30,130 --> 00:36:25,589
always existed we exist now we always

621
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:30,140
will exist because eternity is our home

622
00:36:38,089 --> 00:36:33,359
well can we what if we substituted the

623
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:38,099
word consciousness for life well you get

624
00:36:44,510 --> 00:36:42,720
you can do that zhejiang anything well

625
00:36:48,130 --> 00:36:44,520
if that's not what they say I think

626
00:36:56,299 --> 00:36:48,140
that's not their concept that's our

627
00:36:58,670 --> 00:36:56,309
concept experiencers view it as well as

628
00:37:01,640 --> 00:36:58,680
far as that would be your concept yeah

629
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:01,650
but that if you do you know studying

630
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:04,049
biology and so on life is one of the

631
00:37:08,769 --> 00:37:05,760
most difficult things to describe

632
00:37:10,940 --> 00:37:08,779
everyone supposedly knows what it is

633
00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:10,950
obviously you know what it is when it

634
00:37:17,150 --> 00:37:14,520
isn't there but I it's very very

635
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:17,160
difficult to describe I mean anything

636
00:37:22,990 --> 00:37:20,490
that words any adjective you use can be

637
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:23,000
applied to something else so it's great

638
00:37:27,410 --> 00:37:25,770
well you know they don't have as they

639
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:27,420
don't have words I mean the words are

640
00:37:33,370 --> 00:37:29,609
existing in earth it's a for killing it

641
00:37:36,980 --> 00:37:33,380
snowing it's a presence yeah and and so

642
00:37:40,010 --> 00:37:36,990
some of them especially researchers will

643
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:40,020
use the term consciousness but most of

644
00:37:45,140 --> 00:37:43,680
them use life eventual experiences used

645
00:37:46,609 --> 00:37:45,150
the word life and

646
00:37:49,970 --> 00:37:46,619
the researchers use the word

647
00:37:53,029 --> 00:37:49,980
consciousness I think that maybe and I

648
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:53,039
don't know about you but myself as a

649
00:37:57,500 --> 00:37:55,200
person who has looked into such things I

650
00:37:59,960 --> 00:37:57,510
would not call myself an official

651
00:38:03,200 --> 00:37:59,970
researcher but I am a researcher for

652
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:03,210
myself and I think of it as

653
00:38:10,010 --> 00:38:06,690
consciousness because light to me has

654
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:10,020
something to do with of being in a you

655
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:14,640
know a respirating entity a being that

656
00:38:20,329 --> 00:38:17,609
is respirating verbalizing and

657
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:20,339
metabolising having any physical life

658
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:22,410
whereas a consciousness you don't need

659
00:38:29,329 --> 00:38:25,890
to eat or sleep respirate or sleep and

660
00:38:31,279 --> 00:38:29,339
those type of things but actually that's

661
00:38:33,769 --> 00:38:31,289
kind of mincing words what I'd really

662
00:38:40,730 --> 00:38:33,779
like to know I don't feel that way at

663
00:38:42,319 --> 00:38:40,740
all words I don't mean to I want if you

664
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:42,329
want to speak to that please do but i

665
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:44,970
have to further important questions that

666
00:38:50,210 --> 00:38:47,760
i want to put really quickly though this

667
00:38:52,460 --> 00:38:50,220
is pmh at what are the author of many

668
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:52,470
books about near-death experiences we

669
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,960
have to know who yeah until somebody

670
00:38:59,720 --> 00:38:56,640
comes in in the middle of this shows how

671
00:39:05,420 --> 00:38:59,730
is this get out your website get out my

672
00:39:07,220 --> 00:39:05,430
website w WH at water com thank you good

673
00:39:10,750 --> 00:39:07,230
and we're going to give you more time

674
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:10,760
towards the end of this broadcast to

675
00:39:15,049 --> 00:39:13,410
mention a number of your books and

676
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:15,059
anything else you would like to mention

677
00:39:23,630 --> 00:39:19,529
I see you thank you basically I think my

678
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:23,640
question is is part of its all its two

679
00:39:30,650 --> 00:39:25,920
questions but it's like a it's a bigger

680
00:39:33,289 --> 00:39:30,660
construct of one thing that is how much

681
00:39:37,309 --> 00:39:33,299
a i'm going to ask both parts and you

682
00:39:41,569 --> 00:39:37,319
can speak to them how much does what

683
00:39:44,569 --> 00:39:41,579
people experience end up being what they

684
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:44,579
might expect to experience versus

685
00:39:50,299 --> 00:39:46,529
something entirely different and i know

686
00:39:53,329 --> 00:39:50,309
of some cases where people have changed

687
00:39:55,309 --> 00:39:53,339
religions as a result of a vey of a

688
00:39:57,620 --> 00:39:55,319
near-death experience so I know it's it

689
00:39:58,680 --> 00:39:57,630
can go either way with that but I'd like

690
00:40:00,930 --> 00:39:58,690
you to speak to that

691
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:00,940
and then I would also like you to tell

692
00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:05,920
us maybe a typical good experience which

693
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:09,369
i think if i am quoting you correctly is

694
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:11,710
about eighty-five percent of the

695
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:14,530
near-death experiences are positive and

696
00:40:19,950 --> 00:40:17,170
non frightening whereas about fifteen

697
00:40:22,890 --> 00:40:19,960
are negative and maybe you could give us

698
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:22,900
what might be likely a negative you know

699
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:27,310
a typical negative experience oh well

700
00:40:36,540 --> 00:40:33,970
it's a big questions um I wish you'd

701
00:40:38,579 --> 00:40:36,550
have a sit one at a time so so let's go

702
00:40:43,020 --> 00:40:38,589
back to the first one the first one okay

703
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:43,030
the first one was how much it does what

704
00:40:50,609 --> 00:40:45,970
the purse yes oh okay I'm with her okay

705
00:40:58,260 --> 00:40:50,619
I'm with you um very I'm gonna say very

706
00:41:03,300 --> 00:40:58,270
few k few cases involved what they

707
00:41:08,099 --> 00:41:03,310
expected most cases are complete

708
00:41:12,660 --> 00:41:08,109
surprise they are not what you would

709
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:12,670
expect and that's what blows people's

710
00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:18,310
minds that's what surprises them now in

711
00:41:26,270 --> 00:41:21,780
describing what they went through

712
00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:26,280
afterward I've seen many people then

713
00:41:36,359 --> 00:41:31,569
take language culture what they're

714
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:36,369
familiar with to describe what they

715
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:40,810
could not have described so so in the

716
00:41:47,250 --> 00:41:43,810
description of these experiences you run

717
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:47,260
across language constraints you run

718
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:51,730
across cultural constraints but if you

719
00:41:58,770 --> 00:41:54,720
if you go to the experience or

720
00:42:02,359 --> 00:41:58,780
themselves and have them talk about

721
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:02,369
their experience and observe what

722
00:42:09,420 --> 00:42:05,170
they're doing with their body as they're

723
00:42:12,670 --> 00:42:09,430
speaking you will not come across

724
00:42:19,569 --> 00:42:12,680
expectation that that's the

725
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,579
seldom found it's a surprise okay uh the

726
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:21,680
only time that I've come across the

727
00:42:26,650 --> 00:42:24,170
expectation is when the person tries to

728
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:26,660
explain it using their language and

729
00:42:31,059 --> 00:42:28,490
their culture that's the only time I've

730
00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:31,069
run across that so when we're talking

731
00:42:36,940 --> 00:42:33,710
about the unpleasant experience please

732
00:42:40,170 --> 00:42:36,950
don't use positive negative those are

733
00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:40,180
judgmental terms and they don't fit in

734
00:42:47,319 --> 00:42:44,329
my research base one out of seven were

735
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:47,329
the unpleasant or he'll like near death

736
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:50,720
experience most people say it's very

737
00:42:59,319 --> 00:42:55,760
rare I say no it's not that rare most

738
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:59,329
people will not talk about it because

739
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:00,800
either they're embarrassed or they don't

740
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:03,440
want to talk about it or for whatever

741
00:43:10,089 --> 00:43:06,800
reason they won't share they did share

742
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:10,099
with me however let me give you an

743
00:43:19,319 --> 00:43:14,960
example of positive negative um this was

744
00:43:21,970 --> 00:43:19,329
a large Hall I was talking about my

745
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:21,980
research and the near-death experience

746
00:43:27,309 --> 00:43:25,010
and when I was through I asked for

747
00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:27,319
anyone in the audience who has had a

748
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:28,910
near-death experience and not talked

749
00:43:33,339 --> 00:43:31,010
about it if they would like to come up

750
00:43:36,579 --> 00:43:33,349
to the microphone and share their

751
00:43:42,609 --> 00:43:36,589
experience to people volunteered a man

752
00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:42,619
and a woman the man was first um i would

753
00:43:54,490 --> 00:43:49,270
guess his age to be maybe early 30s and

754
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:54,500
his description of of a heaven like

755
00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:00,160
experience was so incredibly beautiful

756
00:44:09,069 --> 00:44:03,710
there was hardly a dry eye in the room

757
00:44:14,170 --> 00:44:09,079
and then he shocked everybody by saying

758
00:44:17,230 --> 00:44:14,180
and with great verbiage and strength

759
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:17,240
that this was the worst thing that ever

760
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:21,530
happened to him he felt cursed to have

761
00:44:25,170 --> 00:44:24,530
had this experience he wished it had

762
00:44:27,390 --> 00:44:25,180
never

763
00:44:31,170 --> 00:44:27,400
happened it was the worst thing that

764
00:44:33,210 --> 00:44:31,180
ever happened in his life it was it was

765
00:44:37,490 --> 00:44:33,220
negative negative negative that he said

766
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:37,500
why and um because it messed up his life

767
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:41,530
then right away a woman popped up the

768
00:44:49,049 --> 00:44:45,250
other volunteer and she started sharing

769
00:44:51,540 --> 00:44:49,059
her experience and it was dark and

770
00:44:54,839 --> 00:44:51,550
foreboding the place that she was in

771
00:44:59,730 --> 00:44:54,849
there was a lot of thunder there is high

772
00:45:03,150 --> 00:44:59,740
winds it was dark and cold and and she

773
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:03,160
was in a whirlpool trying and fighting

774
00:45:08,250 --> 00:45:05,530
to get out of that whirlpool to get to

775
00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:08,260
the shore she had to save herself she

776
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:09,730
was being sucked down into this

777
00:45:14,130 --> 00:45:11,770
whirlpool and it was terrible it was

778
00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:14,140
horrible and she fought and fought and

779
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:16,569
fought and she finally made a distant

780
00:45:23,370 --> 00:45:18,490
Shore and pulled herself out of the

781
00:45:28,260 --> 00:45:23,380
water and and get she shocked everybody

782
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:28,270
I'm I'll never forget this night she

783
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:30,609
shocked everybody by saying this was the

784
00:45:36,140 --> 00:45:33,250
best thing that ever happened to her she

785
00:45:43,020 --> 00:45:36,150
felt blessed to have had this experience

786
00:45:46,799 --> 00:45:43,030
because it showed her it proved her that

787
00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:46,809
no matter what happens in life you can

788
00:45:53,220 --> 00:45:50,049
get out of it you can rescue yourself

789
00:45:56,420 --> 00:45:53,230
that you can find another way a better

790
00:45:59,160 --> 00:45:56,430
way so here's a man who had a

791
00:46:02,460 --> 00:45:59,170
spectacularly beautiful experience who

792
00:46:05,940 --> 00:46:02,470
hated it here's a woman who had all

793
00:46:08,819 --> 00:46:05,950
horrible experience and loved it and I

794
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:08,829
learned that night never to use the

795
00:46:14,579 --> 00:46:11,680
terms positive negative it depends on

796
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:14,589
the individual and their interpretation

797
00:46:21,839 --> 00:46:18,730
how they feel about what happened to

798
00:46:23,819 --> 00:46:21,849
them and you're going to find this over

799
00:46:26,220 --> 00:46:23,829
and over and over again you can't jump

800
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:26,230
to conclusions about any of this stuff

801
00:46:33,539 --> 00:46:30,640
it all depends on the after effects and

802
00:46:36,589 --> 00:46:33,549
how the person handles the after-effects

803
00:46:38,820 --> 00:46:36,599
it depends on how they interpret it and

804
00:46:41,790 --> 00:46:38,830
it's it's there

805
00:46:44,810 --> 00:46:41,800
interpretation not your interpretation

806
00:46:50,580 --> 00:46:44,820
and we have to be so careful of that and

807
00:46:55,410 --> 00:46:50,590
and so what I found with with with a lot

808
00:46:58,110 --> 00:46:55,420
of these um about fifty percent in in my

809
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:58,120
research phase that had the more he'll

810
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:00,640
like experience about fifty percent of

811
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:06,610
them use that as an impetus in their

812
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:09,280
life to turn their life around and make

813
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:10,930
significant changes in their life

814
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:15,130
because what they went through about the

815
00:47:21,630 --> 00:47:18,480
other fifty percent did not and and they

816
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:21,640
concluded the the you know there was

817
00:47:29,310 --> 00:47:24,250
there was heaven there was hell on the

818
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:29,320
other side and that the other side was a

819
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:34,210
difficult place and um I found in

820
00:47:44,660 --> 00:47:39,610
tracking these people over time um that

821
00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:44,670
they became more nervous or upset more

822
00:47:50,670 --> 00:47:47,160
more sensitive and easily upset

823
00:47:54,810 --> 00:47:50,680
afterward many of them developed health

824
00:47:56,430 --> 00:47:54,820
problems because of this and what they

825
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:56,440
were going to go to help maybe that's

826
00:48:03,690 --> 00:48:00,160
the reason well know that um how do I

827
00:48:06,330 --> 00:48:03,700
put this into words it it became kind of

828
00:48:10,530 --> 00:48:06,340
a depression or a worried thing for them

829
00:48:14,340 --> 00:48:10,540
afterward and um you know it just was

830
00:48:18,540 --> 00:48:14,350
very very difficult for them a life in

831
00:48:23,070 --> 00:48:18,550
general and then you know for for the

832
00:48:26,580 --> 00:48:23,080
other for the others the more heaven

833
00:48:32,820 --> 00:48:26,590
like experience or the more uplifting

834
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:32,830
type of experience for them um most of

835
00:48:38,070 --> 00:48:35,890
them the health became better over the

836
00:48:41,550 --> 00:48:38,080
time they became more positive over the

837
00:48:43,410 --> 00:48:41,560
over time they became smarter literally

838
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:43,420
smarter by the way that's one of the

839
00:48:51,610 --> 00:48:45,370
after effects after a near-death

840
00:48:54,220 --> 00:48:51,620
experience the average person um the end

841
00:48:57,700 --> 00:48:54,230
telligence improves afterward especially

842
00:49:01,180 --> 00:48:57,710
with children you know you got to

843
00:49:07,570 --> 00:49:01,190
realize that um that in most of these

844
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:07,580
cases of the vast majority are are

845
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:10,640
showing no vital signs at all no breath

846
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:13,330
no heartbeat no no brain waves

847
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:16,480
flatlining oh yeah absolutely flat line

848
00:49:26,020 --> 00:49:20,210
for the average is from five to twenty

849
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,030
minutes now that's average ah hold on

850
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:28,160
the near-death experience would last

851
00:49:35,230 --> 00:49:32,090
five to twenty minutes that's average

852
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:35,240
yeah well then they're dead solanum

853
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:38,000
wrong name is he a corpse flatline from

854
00:49:44,070 --> 00:49:40,130
five to twenty minutes now we know

855
00:49:46,570 --> 00:49:44,080
medically that the brain needs oxygen

856
00:49:49,900 --> 00:49:46,580
with three and three to four minutes or

857
00:49:54,610 --> 00:49:49,910
there's brain damage yes in some cases

858
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:54,620
there is some brain damage in the vast

859
00:50:03,550 --> 00:49:58,370
majority of cases there is brain

860
00:50:06,940 --> 00:50:03,560
enhancement rather they become smarter

861
00:50:09,580 --> 00:50:06,950
and you see this in with children

862
00:50:12,820 --> 00:50:09,590
especially they have jumps and

863
00:50:15,850 --> 00:50:12,830
intelligence it's just off the wall okay

864
00:50:21,610 --> 00:50:15,860
so on some of the near-death experiences

865
00:50:24,730 --> 00:50:21,620
that kernels are being monitored at the

866
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:24,740
time the person dies or flatlines that's

867
00:50:30,730 --> 00:50:28,010
right and so on some of the monitoring

868
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:30,740
machines oxygen saturation would be down

869
00:50:37,390 --> 00:50:34,970
to zero I mean like it would show that

870
00:50:42,030 --> 00:50:37,400
there was no because there's no oxygen

871
00:50:46,510 --> 00:50:42,040
there's no 20 minutes is your brain um

872
00:50:51,790 --> 00:50:46,520
MIT many of them are some of them excuse

873
00:50:56,530 --> 00:50:51,800
me some of them overnight um 12 hours

874
00:51:01,900 --> 00:50:56,540
out 24 hours out of the the lord the

875
00:51:05,050 --> 00:51:01,910
longest day courts as near as we can

876
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:05,060
tell was

877
00:51:12,310 --> 00:51:08,000
three days and then that's the case of

878
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:12,320
Georgia diet and gorge road and aya was

879
00:51:21,330 --> 00:51:16,370
killed well there was guys you know the

880
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:21,340
Communists KGB and rushed to a hospital

881
00:51:29,110 --> 00:51:26,240
in tbilisi georgia now it's true we

882
00:51:33,370 --> 00:51:29,120
don't know the temperature of the

883
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:33,380
freezer vault his body was stored in da

884
00:51:38,260 --> 00:51:35,410
but still without socks without

885
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:38,270
circulate and you know there's what they

886
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:40,370
call the blood-brain barrier and if you

887
00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:44,960
didn't have proper blood pressure you're

888
00:51:52,180 --> 00:51:48,110
getting idea you're just not getting

889
00:51:55,060 --> 00:51:52,190
oxygen so well it was just interesting

890
00:51:56,530 --> 00:51:55,070
the term that you use three days I mean

891
00:51:59,310 --> 00:51:56,540
of course you think of the resurrection

892
00:52:03,430 --> 00:51:59,320
of Christ for him it was three days yeah

893
00:52:06,820 --> 00:52:03,440
had yo his body was pulled out for

894
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:06,830
autopsy yes what if his uncle's was on

895
00:52:13,810 --> 00:52:10,490
the autopsy team they did the cut the t

896
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:13,820
cut splitting him open at the bottom

897
00:52:21,660 --> 00:52:16,850
then starting to come up the chest when

898
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:21,670
he's eyes open then you know this is

899
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:25,250
ladies this is not that unusual they

900
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:26,930
simply closed his eyes and kept cut

901
00:52:33,490 --> 00:52:31,280
cutting real his eyes again they they

902
00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:33,500
didn't think anything of it they kept

903
00:52:39,310 --> 00:52:35,510
cutting koshi sides and kept cutting and

904
00:52:45,070 --> 00:52:39,320
he opened his eyes the third time and by

905
00:52:48,460 --> 00:52:45,080
then the the chief operating a physician

906
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:48,470
of stepped back jumped back and had to

907
00:52:59,170 --> 00:52:54,890
take a month a vacation he couldn't

908
00:53:03,760 --> 00:52:59,180
handle it and and when George you know

909
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:03,770
when you die that the tongue swells and

910
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:06,800
fills up the mouth cavity so they had to

911
00:53:16,420 --> 00:53:12,850
wait three days before he could speak

912
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:16,430
before there you know the the time the

913
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:18,650
tongue the tongue came back

914
00:53:25,090 --> 00:53:22,450
we returned to normal functioning and

915
00:53:29,860 --> 00:53:25,100
was smaller and then he could talk and

916
00:53:34,270 --> 00:53:29,870
he then told what happened to him what

917
00:53:36,970 --> 00:53:34,280
he saw and it fantastic stuff all

918
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:36,980
verified even with his wife what this

919
00:53:44,050 --> 00:53:40,730
guy did when he was supposedly dead well

920
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:44,060
what's dead but you know he came back

921
00:53:50,890 --> 00:53:46,850
and we have cases like that he is is

922
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:50,900
it's the longest that i know of was do

923
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:53,450
but across case is similar to that what

924
00:53:57,460 --> 00:53:55,370
you're saying is just not only that the

925
00:53:59,590 --> 00:53:57,470
man came back to life but every cell in

926
00:54:03,400 --> 00:53:59,600
his body also came back to life yeah he

927
00:54:05,530 --> 00:54:03,410
came back uh that's he came back well

928
00:54:09,250 --> 00:54:05,540
that would certainly look my tía read my

929
00:54:10,810 --> 00:54:09,260
book near-death experience no no it's

930
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:10,820
just that i would say that certainly

931
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:15,770
physiology has to be rewritten yes yes

932
00:54:24,340 --> 00:54:18,890
so how you understand why the medical

933
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:24,350
community has such such problems with

934
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:26,960
the near-death experience yeah it would

935
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:28,640
it would indicate that a lot of the

936
00:54:35,830 --> 00:54:31,760
parameters are not here is what we are

937
00:54:40,420 --> 00:54:35,840
consistently finding medically when a

938
00:54:44,050 --> 00:54:40,430
person is dead that is to say no vital

939
00:54:47,730 --> 00:54:44,060
signs they can still have an out-of-body

940
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:47,740
experience clear enhanced consciousness

941
00:54:54,010 --> 00:54:51,050
self-identity with emotions cognition

942
00:54:59,830 --> 00:54:54,020
thought perception full use of faculties

943
00:55:02,440 --> 00:54:59,840
and intact memories totally and and and

944
00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:02,450
we have now been in eight been able to

945
00:55:09,870 --> 00:55:06,110
prove this verify this in clinical

946
00:55:12,550 --> 00:55:09,880
studies at its in lancet medical journal

947
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:12,560
yeah it's really been reported

948
00:55:17,050 --> 00:55:15,680
constantly and i can't think of it all

949
00:55:20,620 --> 00:55:17,060
of this when the brain is not working

950
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:20,630
when the body is not working through

951
00:55:26,860 --> 00:55:24,290
what the duality of what he invented the

952
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:26,870
grex y graph and all that was saying the

953
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:28,970
philosopher can't help you can

954
00:55:36,339 --> 00:55:34,130
I know but but anyway his whole sort of

955
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:36,349
basis of philosophy was a duality of

956
00:55:41,710 --> 00:55:38,960
life the mind and body and soul and

957
00:55:44,740 --> 00:55:41,720
matter and you're indicating that the

958
00:55:46,810 --> 00:55:44,750
source of energy on the various cells of

959
00:55:49,950 --> 00:55:46,820
the body is indeed for one of a better

960
00:55:53,380 --> 00:55:49,960
term the soul and not the actual it's a

961
00:55:56,500 --> 00:55:53,390
oxidation of glucose or ATP going to ADP

962
00:55:59,020 --> 00:55:56,510
but actually some sort of a life force

963
00:56:01,690 --> 00:55:59,030
that inhabits all these cells and

964
00:56:04,570 --> 00:56:01,700
because certainly we are more than the

965
00:56:06,609 --> 00:56:04,580
sum of our parts that's right interest

966
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:06,619
is very interesting we're just meat

967
00:56:12,790 --> 00:56:09,890
puppets were just robots with no

968
00:56:16,420 --> 00:56:12,800
consciousness which is obvious away case

969
00:56:21,790 --> 00:56:16,430
um be fair living breathing active

970
00:56:24,700 --> 00:56:21,800
beings we are a soul before we ask you

971
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:24,710
to mention all your books and so forth

972
00:56:33,210 --> 00:56:27,680
we have that one final question which I

973
00:56:36,609 --> 00:56:33,220
just a source my partner here kate is

974
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:36,619
had had a wonderful show on the radio

975
00:56:44,190 --> 00:56:39,050
called the Kate Valentine you fo sho

976
00:56:47,079 --> 00:56:44,200
Elma we are both experiences of the UFO

977
00:56:49,060 --> 00:56:47,089
phenomena and as a result of that a

978
00:56:52,180 --> 00:56:49,070
number of our listeners are very

979
00:56:56,050 --> 00:56:52,190
interested in the UFO and the alien

980
00:56:59,980 --> 00:56:56,060
question so we we know that you have

981
00:57:03,180 --> 00:56:59,990
something to say on that behalf and you

982
00:57:06,220 --> 00:57:03,190
know before we say goodbye and have you

983
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:06,230
give us a number of your book titles and

984
00:57:10,450 --> 00:57:08,000
all the kind of contact stuff that will

985
00:57:13,780 --> 00:57:10,460
do towards the end of this could you

986
00:57:19,230 --> 00:57:13,790
please give us a little information like

987
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:19,240
I did run across a few k a few cases uh

988
00:57:27,579 --> 00:57:23,930
UFO alien existent related with both

989
00:57:30,940 --> 00:57:27,589
children and adults not that often but

990
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:30,950
there are some I can give you some stats

991
00:57:38,500 --> 00:57:34,010
here with adult near-death experiencers

992
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:38,510
based on 3,000 cases identified with

993
00:57:49,060 --> 00:57:42,050
being from another planet twenty percent

994
00:57:51,820 --> 00:57:49,070
Wow afterward they identified as being

995
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:51,830
from another planet claim to have been

996
00:57:59,160 --> 00:57:55,730
abducted by a UFO nine percent now

997
00:58:01,960 --> 00:57:59,170
here's with children 277 cases

998
00:58:06,370 --> 00:58:01,970
identified with being from another

999
00:58:10,450 --> 00:58:06,380
planet only nine percent identified with

1000
00:58:14,290 --> 00:58:10,460
being from another dimension thirty-nine

1001
00:58:19,450 --> 00:58:14,300
percent claim to have been abducted by a

1002
00:58:21,610 --> 00:58:19,460
UFO fourteen percent so you do run

1003
00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:21,620
across some of this but you don't run

1004
00:58:27,100 --> 00:58:24,110
across a lot of it that's a fair amount

1005
00:58:29,260 --> 00:58:27,110
I mean that that's certainly

1006
00:58:33,100 --> 00:58:29,270
statistically significant as they say

1007
00:58:37,410 --> 00:58:33,110
yes I believe so too so um why don't you

1008
00:58:40,510 --> 00:58:37,420
now give us a little rundown on your

1009
00:58:42,490 --> 00:58:40,520
website your web site and a number of

1010
00:58:44,410 --> 00:58:42,500
the the names of the books you have so

1011
00:58:47,620 --> 00:58:44,420
many of them your bin so prolific and a

1012
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:47,630
wonderful researcher so give us some of

1013
00:58:53,110 --> 00:58:50,480
that so our readers our listeners can

1014
00:58:55,060 --> 00:58:53,120
become your readers as well okay can I

1015
00:58:57,010 --> 00:58:55,070
escape the choices you're sure what just

1016
00:58:59,290 --> 00:58:57,020
one quick question yeah one of your

1017
00:59:01,930 --> 00:58:59,300
biographies had said that if you had not

1018
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:01,940
had a handwriting analysis you might

1019
00:59:06,850 --> 00:59:05,090
never have become a writer that's and I

1020
00:59:09,340 --> 00:59:06,860
thought there are no coincidences in

1021
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:09,350
this world right how did you happen to

1022
00:59:15,390 --> 00:59:11,450
get that handwriting analysis what's

1023
00:59:19,090 --> 00:59:15,400
from from from a sheriff's deputy really

1024
00:59:21,820 --> 00:59:19,100
and it's always just yet doc traced in a

1025
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:21,830
police station I've been around you know

1026
00:59:27,100 --> 00:59:24,770
this kind of thing I was working as a

1027
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:27,110
secretary at the time and I was sick of

1028
00:59:33,820 --> 00:59:30,410
it I didn't want to be a secretary I was

1029
00:59:36,670 --> 00:59:33,830
a good one oh I was you know I was proud

1030
00:59:39,820 --> 00:59:36,680
of my work but I didn't like my work I

1031
00:59:42,910 --> 00:59:39,830
wanted to be something else and I didn't

1032
00:59:47,230 --> 00:59:42,920
know what else to be so I had this

1033
00:59:49,110 --> 00:59:47,240
opportunity to submit a paragraph of my

1034
00:59:51,970 --> 00:59:49,120
handwriting to the sheriff's deputy

1035
00:59:54,700 --> 00:59:51,980
admit because he was studying graph

1036
00:59:58,200 --> 00:59:54,710
analysis okay and he

1037
01:00:04,270 --> 00:59:58,210
vote me back later on and it said I

1038
01:00:06,609 --> 01:00:04,280
showed what number one he said um I was

1039
01:00:08,349 --> 01:00:06,619
not happy in my work okay I needed to

1040
01:00:10,510 --> 01:00:08,359
get out of there he said your

1041
01:00:14,020 --> 01:00:10,520
handwriting showing strong literary

1042
01:00:18,220 --> 01:00:14,030
ability you should be a writer huh and I

1043
01:00:25,300 --> 01:00:18,230
thought the guy was cracked I did

1044
01:00:28,510 --> 01:00:25,310
anything like that my life um and um my

1045
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:28,520
um way of dealing with this kind of

1046
01:00:36,910 --> 01:00:31,690
thing was either to go to the Bible and

1047
01:00:38,980 --> 01:00:36,920
just open it at random um so I went to

1048
01:00:41,050 --> 01:00:38,990
the Bible and it said for those who

1049
01:00:43,780 --> 01:00:41,060
knocked the door is open and I took it

1050
01:00:47,260 --> 01:00:43,790
literally I would even stop people in

1051
01:00:49,359 --> 01:00:47,270
the street and go up to them and you

1052
01:00:51,730 --> 01:00:49,369
know introduce myself and say do you

1053
01:00:54,579 --> 01:00:51,740
know anything about writing do you know

1054
01:00:58,420 --> 01:00:54,589
any writers any writers clubs and the

1055
01:01:01,660 --> 01:00:58,430
third person I stopped did he knew the

1056
01:01:06,250 --> 01:01:01,670
president of the local writers club and

1057
01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:06,260
I called her and asked if I could visit

1058
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:10,510
and so I went to visit and i was it's

1059
01:01:17,010 --> 01:01:13,760
literally I felt like I stepped off the

1060
01:01:21,460 --> 01:01:17,020
planet earth and on to another planet

1061
01:01:25,420 --> 01:01:21,470
because everybody was so enthused and

1062
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:25,430
creative and active and happy and I

1063
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:26,960
never been around people like that

1064
01:01:36,430 --> 01:01:32,450
before so I applied and I was accepted

1065
01:01:40,900 --> 01:01:36,440
as a member and the real mystery yeah

1066
01:01:43,839 --> 01:01:40,910
yeah you don't let's hear the fruits of

1067
01:01:47,079 --> 01:01:43,849
your labor so yes faithless was again

1068
01:01:50,050 --> 01:01:47,089
your website we've been speaking to PM h

1069
01:01:52,510 --> 01:01:50,060
Atwater now your website and your books

1070
01:01:55,300 --> 01:01:52,520
and certainly you've been a wonderful

1071
01:01:57,820 --> 01:01:55,310
guest and I excellent you have a lot of

1072
01:02:00,370 --> 01:01:57,830
information and we hope you'll come on

1073
01:02:05,140 --> 01:02:00,380
again at some time in the future I'd

1074
01:02:07,900 --> 01:02:05,150
love to Hydra I'm so a pathologist back

1075
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:07,910
yeah LJ ice cream memory

1076
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:15,049
memory um first of all my website ww-p

1077
01:02:28,009 --> 01:02:21,210
mah at water com I have a free monthly

1078
01:02:31,700 --> 01:02:28,019
newsletter please if you're curious and

1079
01:02:34,130 --> 01:02:31,710
you want to know about all kinds of

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things sign up for my newsletter please

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notice on the homepage I'm asking um

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right away call for volunteers my new

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project I'm reprising my work with

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children only this time I'm focusing on

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womb to the age of five if you think you

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fit that download that and follow the

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directions it's not a quiz just follow

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the directions it's written up to help

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you remember way back when so

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participate in my research if you can a

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summary of my research is near death

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experiences arrest in the story future

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memories certainly is a book like none

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other it is a labyrinth it's not a book

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the voice that spoke to me and my third

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near-death experience the one who told

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me to be a researcher spoke to me again

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what I was trying to put together this

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kind of book and it said turn it into a

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labyrinth I will show you how and I had

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it all done in two weeks and then it was

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published every sentence every paragraph

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every page is part of the math I used to

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create the labyrinth format it is a real

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labyrinth you read through it like you

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walk through with site labyrinth in

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other words you can't you can't skip

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ahead you can't read the you know you

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can't go to the end first you can't skip

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around you may have to stay on the path

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like a real lab bones it'll go back and

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forth with you the purpose of the boat

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is to bring your consciousness up to the

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next highest level possible for you the

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book is a brain changer it is it is

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actually a psychotronic device so you've

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got that one you got children of the

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fifth world which I'm am examining

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evolution in our times what is happening

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to the human race you've got near-death

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experiences are the new children and

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near-death experiences which is a lot

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about my original work with children

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dying to know you that's my most recent

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dying to know you proof of God in the

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near-death experience there's no other

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book like it on the market it consists

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of the summation of over five thousand

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voices children and adults who've had a

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near-death experience who are telling

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you what they went through their truth

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their way so it is this it is the

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collective experience spoken in the

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collective voice from the collective and

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there's no other book like it on the

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market it's it's just dying to know you

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proof of God in the near-death

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experience there's a little bit of

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research in it not much there's a couple

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of stories in it not many it is all

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filled with the experiencers truth so if

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you ought to know about that from over

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5,000 people you get that book terrific

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oh thank you so much how yeah obviously

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we'll have to have you on again this is

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just okay thank you so much and will

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thank you lie from shouted reality we

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are going to now just wrap things up

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here with um saying that please

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listeners

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we value your comments we are also

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looking for your personal experiences of

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any sort that are paranormal if you'd

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like to tell them to us if you'd like to

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have a short segment on the show of how

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your reality was shattered have exactly

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and also we do have a young lady coming

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up with writing up her experiences

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multiple experiences of bilocation she

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is a listener and she is currently

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penning a page or two of she is a

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foreign at her native language is not

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English and she prefers to have me read

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the by location experiences which is

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coming up hopefully on our next show but

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before we say goodbye I wanted to

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mention that one of our previous guests

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mr. paul h smith PhD i should call him

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dr. Smith a formerly of the may have

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formerly a major with the US Army and

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retired and he has written a new book

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which he mentioned on the podcast with

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us and it has come out and I want to

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give it a little plug here because I

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think it's an excellent book it is

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called the essential guide to remote

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viewing the secret military remote

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perception skill anyone can learn and

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that's a mr. all age Smith and so we're

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going to basically wrap it up now yeah

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okay okay okay so we want to hear from

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you too this is Farrugia and who's Kate